Revisit / Revote on Cooldown Timer for Solo Channeling

Jeez, this got people triggered… It’s funny to see how people tend to accuse others of doing exactly the same they are doing (‘they have an us vs. them mentality, I don’t’, ‘they are biased, I’m not’, ‘they wanna nerf us, I don’t’, ‘they are self-interested, I’m not’ etc.). I’d rather not engage TBH, especially with the tone used. To each their own.

Personally I have nothing against owners of several gotchis and making it easier for them, but I simply stated the FACT that the main reason why the mechanic was changed was precisely to make it easier for them to keep up and be competitive (I use the term ‘them’ because I only own two gotchis, not because I see them as my enemies or anything else some people might wanna see here).

Nothing wrong with that, except the questionable way it was done (I’m pretty sure if it was something certain participants were against, we’d be seeing a different discussion about due process, how this hurts the DAO, etc). Now, there is another FACT, which is that the change that was aimed at keeping a part of the community competitive, now makes another part of the community less competitive, so we’ve basically transferred the disadvantage (it’s both the rentals available and the alchemica spillovers, so it doesn’t only affect renters but players in unfavorable time zones as well).

Still, I can understand it couldn’t be foreseen, but it’s not so hard to see that it’s unfair now and needs to be changed (as unfair as the original mechanic was to multiple gotchi owners, if you wanna see it that way). That said, I, as all of us, am probably a bit biased and tend to lean towards something, so I might say the current mechanic is ‘terrible’ and the previous one was ‘not that bad’ but that doesn’t blind me from seeing the fact that both create inequalities and that the way the change was implemented wasn’t the fairest.

As for the solution, I don’t understand this back and forth, if most of the consensus is option A, anyone who is not full of bull and truly thinks about the community as a whole would vote A and not care so much about the other options. Still, since this is a DAO and people have the right to choose whatever the hell they want, adding the three options is probably the best to satisfy the need people have to express themselves.

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I’m loving how you guys are making the argument for ranked voting, with this kerfuffle.

Also, Kenny is spot on.

What should I do? I was going to post it up during the hangout so we got max eyes, but you guys went nuts at the last second here…

Classic Mccornick trolling… first make the divisive and poisonous comments yesterday, then show up today to throw indirect, passive aggressive jabs and close by saying “I won’t engage”. For someone who brags about their low investment level on this project, and their lack of available free time… I definitely thank you for the good hour or so you spent typing your last message.

This I can agree with. Long ago we could have settled for “Option A: yay or nay” vote but as long as people keep up the shenanigans to construct a corrupted vote and sneak Option B in, I will keep calling it out.

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Is anyone going to freak out if I post it with all the options and do ranked choice?

Why would they freak out? because you’re including the diverse options different people want, and that would mean nobody succeeded framing the vote?

I’d say go ahead and let people rank their choices and cast their votes freely. that shouldn’t even be a discussion

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At this point, making it a simple YES or NO on Option A is probably the best approach.

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I like to be able to reset all my gotchis at my own time because i like to be able to set my own schedule. As altar levels get higher and higher, its going to be easier to manage all my parcels and gotchis at the same time.

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You are as offensive as usual… Sorry that my opinions offend you, sir, I thought this was a DAO and I could express my opinions without being insulted. And today’s reply wasn’t a ‘jab’, more like blocking punches cause it certainly seems you like twisting people’s words and attacking them when they don’t fit your views. I never bragged about anything except in your mind, defending responsible investing in a discussion is just an argument (I know, something you only like if it suits you, but I’m afraid democracy doesn’t work that way). And how can someone ‘brag’ about the lack of free time? Anyway, it’s Saturday and I wanted to spend the time to reply, how’s that something you are trying to use against me? :rofl::person_facepalming:

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IDK… you managed to do it while also declining @HARDKORs friend request. Guess you have more time budgeted for trolling here than for making friends :man_shrugging:

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happy Saturday to you, ser.

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Hahahaha! You do know that bragging means speaking proudly about something that you have or that you own, not something that you lack, right? Precisely the comment you posted implies that I wish I had more free time, not something I’m proud of and trying to rub on people’s faces. Does not having much free time mean I can’t join a discussion one day if I do have it? Again, why does that trigger you? :person_shrugging:

Anyway, keep digging unrelated conversations, using offensive language, attacking me for my opinions/decisions and whatever else you feel you need to do to… what exactly… end up on top? Not sure what’s your issue. I already clarified my views and don’t have much else to add to the discussion.

I seriously congratulate you for typing up the biggest oxymoron I’ve read in my entire life.
So when you do it, you are freely expressing your opinions, and when I do it… I’m insulting. Gotcha :rofl:.

My issue is clear to the righteous or unbiased reader… nobody in this thread has had the integrity to directly advocate for the shadow nerf that Option B would be… as they were doing so in Discord and other channels. The hypocrisy is what really upsets me. If anybody likes Option B, and feel owning and channeling multiple gotchis in a day should be an absolute PITA, then just say so! But the derivative answers and gaslighting disgusts me.
You specifically have fanned speculation (without evidence) that the past vote was compromised and it happened to favor large asset holders.
At least I make my stances very clear without trying to sneak or deceive. I don’t hide the true motivations. I say it like it is.

Agree. next time u want to jab, my DMs are open (if you have the marbles for it) and we can spare everyone else the spectacle.

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Man… I picked this one to do “live editing” because I thought it was a slam dunk and would have no drama :smiley:

I guess it’s still a good learning tool for new DAOists, though, because this has certainly become an example of lots of things :smiley:

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…labuntur anni nec pietas moram… :joy:

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:person_facepalming::person_shrugging: I give up.

Not speculation about anything or talking about a conspiracy, I simply stated 2 FACTS that you are mixing up:

  1. The main reason to change the mechanic was to improve quality of life in general, but objectively the most affected if that mechanic was kept were the larger gotchi holders (and this argument was used plenty). And again, I have absolutely nothing against making it easier on them.

  2. The vote was passed AFTER launch, the mechanic was a last minute change before that, which it’s not the way to go (and it wasn’t even mentioned in any announcements channel). Again, i don’t think this was a big conspiracy, just poor judgement and bad management. The evidence is all there.

As I explained, I didn’t want to ‘jab’ and, in fact, I try to stay away from people like you. It was you who came here blasting and insulting everyone as usual. And this whole comment is just unfortunate, I’ll pass on the ‘macho man’ attitude, fight someone else.

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having specific reset set channel times feels less human interactive and more robotic. Why not just channel at our own pace, our own times. That opens up being responsible to channel ourselves when we want to. not at any set times!! how is this not simple enough. Any set schedule reset will come back to having these problems again in the future. We will all have different altar level with different cool down times. Maybe some days i feel like channelling earlier or later. It should be up to me to reset my own gotchis at my schedule. This makes the most sense to me. All our schedules will always change, so lets not have any set reset even if its 4 times a day. L9 altars cool down every hour. I like to make my own schedule and not be on someone elses in real life.

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we are all on different schedules, different time zones. different sleep schedules. I like to not have to remember to channel at 4utc reset.

i only see 2 options here: have a scheduled reset like its been or reset at our own time? simple enough for me.

The only thing i should be worried about is making the hangout calls as scheduled and the dao meetings on sundays. right hardkor? =)

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Whatever is easiest for everyone is really what’s best here. this shouldn’t be a huge strife inducing mechanic OR discussion, we’re just trying to make the alchemica disperse at the correct rate, not punish anyone. It’s super duper complex anyways with the recharge on the altar changing all the time, and polygon and the graph being chaotic as well.

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So can we just put this to rest and vote and move on from this discussion?

Having set resets will just lead to same problems even 4 times a day. Because its scheduled. As we can already see that this problem exist.

Let everyone reset there own gotchis at whatever time they please, Maybe they want to do there own small spillover party in there district with there own players, instead of all the set scheduled players and owners knowing when the best time to collect alchemica is causing future possible congestion. Also maybe i like to sleep in instead of having to worry about a 8am reset.

Lets make a simple poll with 2 options and move this forward. this is my first time really chatting in here. So simple to revote, we see the problem now lets make a vote for these 2 options kek? =p

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Yes! Excellent suggestion. It is done.

https://snapshot.org/#/aavegotchi.eth/proposal/0x02a20a7fa64f8013a3c859167f4c3404efcf11325ef5ea7cbd4a3b26362c4521

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Awesome, thanks for the heads up @FrostC !

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